however, 3dmark2003 represents a special case being that it's a synthetic benchmark. that is not optimization, it's cheating.precomputing render values ahead of time and hardwiring them into the driver is just as bad as if nvidia precomputed the whole damn 3dmark03 test We installed our ATi drivers and replaced the ATIOGXX.DLL file with the modified DLL that we were supplied with above by Joe. isnt that funny that my ati card with the newer drivers renders those same games fine.
Similar Threads - driver cheating brilinear Forum Date Futuremark confirms NVIDIA "cheating" with latest driver...releases audit report General Hardware May 23, 2003 Nvidia is cheating with the new drivers !!! I suggest you go read through the whole interview at the FiringSquad if you haven't already. good hardware and good drivers go hand in hand. Then just when we feeling at ease about our decision to publish the Quack benchmarks we got this mail from Joe MacKay. http://www.geek.com/games/ati-driver-caught-optimizing-for-3dmark03-as-well-553402/
the piracy rate of technology and ideas seems to be growing! in it, ati claims that its drivers did indeed detect the presence of 3dmark2003, but that its driver "optimization" merely re-ordered some of the 3dmark2003 drawing operations in such a way So if you want to be brave and try these drivers I am attaching to see if the scores reverse I think it would be definitive proof that ATI is doing Doom Patrol #6Play Dress Up With ‘Doctor Who: Paper Dolls' Book More The Best Batman Funko Pops!Toast Turns Food Waste Into Delicious BeerMcDonald's Frork May be The Greatest Fast Food Invention
if nvidias did the same i wouldn't consider that cheating either. This is also the policy of FutureMark regarding legitimate driver optimizations. you should try it sometime 8^). is all this worth the uproar?
We took our modified "Quack" drivers and used them with our Quack.exe version of Quake 3. Please ensure you add the domain @pcauthority.com.au to your white-listed senders. perhaps ati has grown up a bit since the quack/quake episode. http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1046930/desperate-nvidia-accuses-ati-cheating that's the end of it. - by u.s.
I wonder how it would respond to Quack...interesting. it also had no possible practical application to anything else anywhere else. Help me solve this mystery! Especially with a big red box around it eh?
in the end, it's difficult to call this a cut-and-dried cheat since it has no downsides. https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/ati-driver-cheating-with-brilinear-go-figure.1340746/ perhaps … but then again perhaps not. consumers buy on benchmarks and hype.nvidia went a bit far and got caught. this stands in stark contrast to nvidia's hack, which generated graphical errors galore when the camera was turned even slightly off the standard path.
all my games run better with new detonator. very skecthy answer. - by doom who cares? (3:57pm est tue may 27 2003)i view benchmarks for quake3 or ut2003 instead anyway. Newer Than: Search this thread only Search this forum only Display results as threads More... To request a new password, please enter the email address linked to your PC & Tech Authority account and we'll send one to you.
Well, how can this be? Search all issuesPreview this magazine » Browse all issues19902000 Jan 2000Feb 2000Mar 2000Apr 2000May 2000Jun 2000Jul 2000Aug 2000Sep 2000Autumn 2000Oct 2000Nov 2000Dec 2000Jan 2001Feb 2001Mar 2001Apr 2001May 2001Jun 2001Jul 2001Aug 2001Sep The firm then realised it needed another hotfix to be issued for Stalker Clear Sky which now supports dx10.1. This kind of in-driver optimisation has been around for a while in both camps.
ATI Cheated? Run Quack3 w/ the same settings as Quake3. good think, now i can frag better. - by blah so what is the actual fps in such games as doom iii, half-life 2, etc? (6:24pm est tue may 27 2003)and
The correct way to benchmark these applications is to disable Catalyst AI in AMD's control panel. If you need the entire driver install set let me know I can send that to you as well. ATI's story Yesterday, the FiringSquad asked ATI for their side of the story. Insistant that this was all some evil ATI conspiracy which the INQUIRER and everyone else should immediately write about, we were sent yet more “proof” by the boys in green.
Prime among these is an assertion that ATI were utilising a technique in their drivers called 'FP16 Demotion' to boost their graphical performance at the cost of image quality. So I thought hmmmm.. AMD_ManDec 2, 2001, 9:32 PM According to ATI, they did not cheat in Quake III. it's quite true that big game engines figure out what kind of card you're running (or they ask you at setup) and optimize themselves for that particular hardware.
overall, ati's scores dropped 1.9% on the entire 3dmark2003 benchmark, within the margin of error for the whole benchmark suite. i think not! - by iceman in no no no (6:54pm est tue may 27 2003)ati's optimization is the same as optimized drivers, that simply perform better. ATi's instabilities are minor at the moment! Please contact your local AMD PR representative if you have any doubts on the above issue.NVIDIA's official driver optimization's policy is to never introduce a performance optimization via .exe detection that
Now what you are seeing here is a comparison of the Frame Rates before and after using the Quackifier. so when a game company optimizes for a video card, that's legitimate; but when a video card company does the same thing-but in reverse-is it still legitimate? Arguments appear cyclical in nature from both ATI and NVIDIA, and bickering over issues like physics engines isn't uncommon - bringing about phrases like: 'They've been cheating with their so-and-so', or The cheat in action First, some background.
Is it wrong for ATi to deliver drivers that give better frame rates in a specific application? they cheated. the results are a little inflated, but the card actually did the work thus the benchmarks are valid (but just barely …. double postings and "sorry for the double post" messages.
Only a couple of questions remained: What did ATI have to say for themselves? by modifying its drivers specifically to suit 3dmark2003, ati has crossed into an extremely blurry area as to what kind of optimizations are legitimate. They'll always skip certain features or "cheat" to make money. its just a benchmark for the gamer freaks..
Please check your email A confirmation email has been sent to your email address - SUPPLIED EMAIL HERE. forcing graphics card makers to be legitimately faster in tests ultimately benefits us as the consumer.kudos to all those "geeks" out there who are vigilant and stop greedy manufacturers What did all this boil down to? Log in here.
The reason for doing this is to isolate drivers that are built to recognize the string "Quake" in order to score higher on the Quake3 benchmark. Now, there wouldn't be much point in purely showing performance results without explaining exactly what NVIDIA has accused ATI of: FP16 Demotion. nuff said. - by roach_d nvidia suxs (9:21pm est wed may 28 2003)nvidis suxs - by nvidia suxs fps vs benchmarks (8:58am est thu jun 12 2003)so drop benchmarks and work It had been included with the GTS450 and five other cards, but it seems no-one has paid it much attention, dismissing it offhandedly - as we admittedly dismiss most guides that